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Hello and welcome to another episode of deluxe edition. I am your host, Casey Shearer joining me as always L Ray Sexton. What's going on, Casey? Not too much, buddy. How are you? We're having another fantastic day. Yeah, this was this was a real good day, man. I woke up feeling good today, and I'm gonna go to bed feeling good today.

This was a great interview that we just had. Yes, sir. We just had the fabulous Jake Busey on with us, who you may know from movies like Starship Troopers. Pig killer scalper. Something about a sailboat. What's that one called? A boy called sailboat. No, we're supposed to be listing his famous movies. Oh shit Ah, never mind.

Never mind. No, he was he was awesome. Ray and I were talking off screen We've done a hundred. Well, Ray and I have done about 700 episodes together in all of the episodes that I've done, 130 something, whatever this is, this is, this is one of my favorites, man. This was Jake was a fucking great guest. Yeah.

He was so much fun and. Very open and honest about everything he talked about. Yeah, this was one of the most open and honest conversations that we've ever had. And so what do you say we get into it, right? Let's do it. All right. Let me just do this quick housecleaning and then we'll get right into it.

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com. All right, go check them out. And I think that's it. Right, right. Let's do it. All right. Here is our chat with Jake Busey. Howdy. How's it going, man? Good. How are you guys? Yeah, man. All right. All right. All right, Larry. Tell me you'd be calling them from your phone Yeah, I apologize about that. My daughter stole my power cable from the computer.

So So we're doing a phone thing today. I had it perfectly situated here too. Yeah, so, so actually looks good though for a phone. Well, you know, that's how we roll baby. It's going to say is we've had some people on with their computers and it was garbage. Oh, well, you know, That's when you get the compact Presario from Best Buy.

So, yeah, those people were also in their eighties, I think. Right. Yeah. Not everybody rolls with the MacBook pro, you know, that's how it is. And the weird thing is because it's the phone, it's in like a selfie mode. So when I look at my monitor, I am, everything I do is in reverse. So if I try and correct in the screen, I'm going the wrong way, which is Which is fun, but I do the same thing with my hair all the time.

I always try to fix my hair and then I fuck it up even more because I'm going the wrong way. Well, it's good to meet you guys. Yeah. Good to meet you, man. I was watching one of your earlier episodes and you guys were trying to figure out whether or not Garth Brooks is a serial killer and that I found quite interesting.

Yeah Seems like the last guy To be a serial killer. That's some far fetched Inquirer stuff right there. You got to remember that he was Chris Gaines also, so he does have a dual personality I've just Wow. I forgot about that and that was so creepy today kids with the kids would say cringe Yeah, that was creepy Yeah, it was like, I'm going to be a rock and roll guy.

He put on a black wig and tried to go Trent Reznor on it. And like,

it was weird. So maybe or yeah, maybe his country persona of Garth Brooks was somewhat, or is somewhat manufactured, which I think you said you sorry. Great shirt. Well, I could never remember what I say on this thing. There's so many episodes now. No, but you, you mentioned something like, well, you know, the whole thing could be kind of an act and he, he plays this sweetheart of a guy, but then is it real?

I don't know. I think, I think recently I've been asked by a few different movies to, to play serial killers and I've played some demented people in the past. And you know, when you look at the ones that were. True stories, you know, like the, the most famous show recently, I would say would be Dahmer.

You know, that actor had an opportunity to look at the actual dude and we got to see him in court depositions and all that stuff. And I watched a video of an interview of a guy who was a serial killer and proud of it. He was very clean cut in a real kind of. 1976 way with like the, kind of like that, almost like a bowl cut.

Not, you know, it's really like a unflattering haircut that just kind of frames your, your, your, your pieces. And then like just black hair and then a black mustache and glasses, like a, like a 1970s. Computer programmer that worked for the government. And he was very matter of fact, and very proud and simple.

It was like you, you were talking about you know, racing go karts. He was like, you know, I I really would like to have you know, got a, you know, 50 or 51, but I was just. You know, there wasn't the time, which is unfortunate. And in the end, you know, it was my own doing. And I really, I should have done that better.

And and you, the point is if he was your neighbor, much like we've seen him many times, like you would be like, Oh, he was that quiet, nice man. He just lived next door and never would have suspected him for anything. I don't know about that. Sometimes when you see these people and they're talking to 'em on the news and it's like, how did you not peg that guy?

Yeah, you're right about that. It started, it's, yeah, like after, 'cause we really started to see the faces and the behaviors and when they started to snatch up those guys now, like we've had some time to kind of build that, that, that file cabinet in the brain of like, oh, yeah, these people are just they seem normal But then they're a little fringe or they get a little it's like whoa.

Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's a little off base Yep. Yeah, any of my neighbors ever offer me anything made from meat? I don't even i'm like, oh, thank you Especially not with toes That's like, what's the, the HBO show that just came out recently where they're, they're talking about the the FBI files and stuff where they've, they've actually, like, it was the first time they named the serial killers.

Like they use that word, like some of the guys in that show are like the, the guy that plays Ed Kemper in that is just spot on because like you said, like, there's so much of that because of the recent you know, the, the footage and stuff that That there, there is like, they, they got a guy that looked exactly like him.

It was, it's just crazy. Yeah, it's a trip. It's cause you know, the, the, the serial killers of, of, of previous. Decades or centuries there, there wasn't video cameras. There weren't, you know, all these things. So Jack the Ripper is just some kind of figure in a hat and then a cloak in the fog with a knife, you know, but like now it's like, Oh yeah, that's old Terry lives in the industry, fucking strange.

Yeah. So. Where are we gonna, to be clear though, to be clear, we didn't come up with the, the whole Garth Brooks thing. That was, that was Tom Sura started that years ago. Oh yeah, yeah. He called, yeah, he, he's the one that and that's, that's how it all became like a thing on our podcast because like we, it was all crazy.

Like somebody, we, Ray made a post on Instagram and then all these people started tagging Toms and Garth Brooks in it. And then like, I didn't know anything about it before that. And then like the post took off. Because jelly rolls, wife shared it like on her Instagram and like, yeah, I've seen like, I was working on a movie this last week and I've seen that it's kind of like been bubbling down on like the third shelf of the zeitgeist.

So yeah, that's a trip. So what, what are we talking about today? That is a perfect segue into the movie that we just were, we're fortunate enough to see with you in it. All right. As a deranged psychopath starship troopers. Ah, the close, very close.

Big killer, big killer. Yeah. Now there's the movie. Yeah. Wow. That was a very interesting experience. Pig killer is you know, it's a very low budget, very small horror movie, you know? And we shot it all here in California, out in Acton. And you know it's a true story about a serial killer in Vancouver.

And he, I think he was killing people like in the seventies and eighties and maybe got caught in the early nineties. I did enough research just to kind of have a an overview. I watched a documentary that they had shot about the guy. And so I got to see him. And there was an interview with with him and he's sitting in a jail cell.

And he's eating off of a paper plate and he's kind of got beans and coleslaw and he's just kind of like stirring it around and eating and he's telling this other prisoner his whole story and, you know, he's confiding in him and he's saying, you know, this, this, these cops, you know, they think I did this one thing, but, you know, what they don't know is I killed like 50 people and if I'd just gotten one more and yeah.

And he's just talking matter of fact about it, but it was you know, the thing about this movie, it is that urban legend that you've heard of, you know, you hear the name pig killer, but it's not exactly a fitting name. It's he's a pig rancher, pig farmer in outside of Vancouver. British Columbia and their family raised pigs and he was a prostitute killer and Chopped him up and fed him to the pigs and that's how he got rid of the bodies So this was a guy who was abused Him and his brother were abused by his parents that were beyond dysfunctional and very religious so they were kind of beaten with the church stick and he So they grew up highly just off because of being so abused from and very physically mentally everything and I guess at a certain point when the parents died, I don't know if the kids killed the parents or not, but The two brothers had the ranch on their own and they sold off some land and made a lot of money And they would go into town into vancouver and on vancouver on the east side of town is kind of this area That's all you know CD bars and clubs and homeless parks and drugs and Lots and lots and lots of heroin.

Vancouver is kind of a dirt. It's like the little Asia, you know, it's a direct line to the east where the opium comes from. So they've always had a heroin problem in Vancouver. So Willie Pickton was character I played and he was the The brother that that killed him and so he was so beaten with this religious stick He would go into vancouver and pick up.

Well, he started having a social life. So he'd go hang out in these bars And he made friends with the prostitutes, and I don't, I can't imagine he was much of a ladies man, so maybe he might have engaged their services. But at a certain point got comfortable enough where he started seeing them as sinners and killing them.

And so then it was like fishing. They would go down, invite a bunch of people for like a big Sunday hoedown. Barbecue, whatever the hell, you know, outdoor daytime rave. I don't know what the hell you'd call it, but just, just a daytime party that would go all weekend as the story goes, allegedly he was supplying a lot of drugs to the people, right?

He was yeah, so he, he got into the scene, you know, he started hanging out in the bars and kind of becoming one with the crowd and got a pretty good Got a you know a connection or whatever so he could You know, he'd lure people to the parties. Yeah, come on out, you know, so he was It was a well known thing in the underground world that if you went out to these parties, it was drugs There was it was all free.

It was great. It was fun but then you know, not everyone came home and I don't know that that was that talked about but anyway, so the girl who Plays the lead girl in the, in, in the film. Her name is Kate and she's a Canadian girl. She was in Vancouver and as a child, she, or a teenager, she was taking ballet, going to an all girls finished finishing school and very, very, very, you know, wealthy family, upper crust.

And she was that kid that was looking out at the seedy part of town, you know, driving by. On the way to school or whatever and was kind of became infatuated with who are those people? Who are those people that stand around looking? all crazy with their piercings and their leather and their jeans and their tattoos and their kilts and their Big boots and their mohawks and their you know, who are these people?

They're so interesting and she became infatuated And she of course knew about the story because he was, you know, alive and killing, people were disappearing. And then when he was apprehended, every Canadian person pretty much remembers the moment, you know she wanted to make a movie about it. So, so, so then that's how, you know, they, she, she met some people, knew some people put it, you know, they got it together and I got a phone call and I said, would you like to do it?

And I said, you know, sure, let's, that'd be interesting. And I. I really kind of felt the energy of the space I was in when we were filming it. So I, you know, I didn't like study real hard and stay up all night working on all the material and going over it and analyzing it and getting rid of the technical.

I just was like, what are we doing today? Where's the lines? Oh, this is what it, okay, let's run it. And then I wouldn't even know the lines. And then like we do a couple of rehearsals. And by the time I knew the lines, we put it on film and then. And then he'd say, okay, that's good enough. We got it. Let's go.

Let's move on So it was really kind of just visceral and quick The process of it for me and a lot of people are saying wow, that was really a great performance. That was different It was great to see you doing that. It was something we haven't seen you do These are things i'm hearing from people So I don't you know, I don't know what the deal was other than I I just didn't overthink it Well, like, why, like, why, why did you, because I imagine that you don't do that for other roles, right?

See, here's what I noticed. This is the most unhinged character I've ever seen you play. Like talking to you right now, you're nothing like what appeared in that movie or any other movie I've ever seen you in. You're like a completely unhinged human being and you're, you're doing that on the fly. Is that what you're telling me?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, really. That's my job and I've been at it. Nobody knows who I am, but I've been at it for 30 years. What's that? That's bullshit. Everybody knows who you are. So that's so weird. It doesn't seem like that. But anyway it, it, it, it was a great experience, you know I, I think what it is is I watched the video of the actual dude and I got a bead on who he was and what his energy was and sort of seeing how his behavior was and where the fact that he was tormented from being it.

All sorts of weird Oedipal shit going on in this guy's head. Religious stuff going on in this guy's head. So he was really like at a conflict with right and wrong, good and evil. So he's killing prostitutes thinking that he's doing the world a service because these are sinners. So I'm getting rid of these sinners.

And I'm feeding my animals. I'm completing the cycle of the earth. I'm my animals are benefiting from this and like, this is a twisted dude. But he, that was his rationale. And I just want, you know, I kind of formulate that like, okay, this, this is who he is. And I just kept that somewhere in my head.

So when I showed up at work in the morning, all I had to do was open that up and match it with the dialogue. And just kind of worked out, I guess. Yeah, it really did, man. It's a, it's, it's a dark movie. How close though, is it to the to this, the original story? Like you watched the documentary. Is it because like the one girl in the movie the main girl, she's like, does kind of have a thing.

Like she sort of like falls for. Like, is that, was that like a real? Yeah. Apparently the word on the street is he was odd, but was sort of charismatic and a little bit enigmatic. And, and women were a little bit,

you know, puzzled and curious about him. Who's this guy? What's he all about? You know, having no idea he's a serial killer, of course, you know? So He had a certain charm to him and which I didn't really see in the in the video you know when he was in jail, but yeah that character that she played wendy was certainly, a dramatic Extrapolation, you know, there was a woman who did finally get away and she was the one That called the police and she didn't die.

And She looked quite different Then, then Kate, the actress, she was an older woman. Heavier set and, and, and, you know, brunette, like a black, black hair, black hair, fair skinned, big eye gal. And so they really created a fictional. world for her to kind of to pad that character and I think it served the movie well because you could have an a story and a b story you could go back and forth from you know the brothers at the pig farm to then this girl in her world and she has a friend that's this little dude that's a drug and so we get a little I think what it does very well is that it Kind of shows the audience that the entire world of East Vancouver.

And what willie was tapping into and where he was fishing, in that character in her character So we get we kind of summarize or chad is the director he kind of summarizes the That whole world into her character and and her her and her buddy. So I think you know I think that was the first time she's ever done anything and I think she did real well and Yeah, yeah Yeah, it yeah, the acting all around, I mean, it was a, it was a, I mean, as far as it was a dark, dark movie True story, but it's, it's really well done.

I never thought I would do a simulated sex scene with Jim Ginger Lynn. Ginger Lynn. Yeah. That was gonna be my next question. How was it work? How was it? We all, we're all familiar with Ginger Lynn's early work . Okay. Well, see, I am I I never really was much of a, a porn movie watcher. So I didn't know really anything about her, her past.

I just, I knew I I'd heard her name and I knew that she was like a big porn star in the eighties, but I had never seen any of her stuff. Interestingly enough, she looks like an old girlfriend of mine, which is very strange. , but she Ginger Lynn then or now looks like, no back then, but, you know, we all get older and she's a sweet, she's really a wonderful, wonderful lady.

She definitely like has a great sense of humor. She's very outgoing and loud. She's someone who's lived life. She's not like Turned from a, a porn star into like a, a, you know, a Betty Crocker mom living next door. You know, she's, she's, she's still the kind of gal that is you know, she's, she's like a real can do outdoorsy kind of and she's real sweet, you know, she's a really nice woman.

Very considerate. So as awkward as those scenes can be, she's very professional. You know, it's not like anything like it looks. When you're watching the movie is sure you're doing it. It's very just you know, by the numbers, by the book, okay, we do this, we do this, okay, this, here, and you're gonna scream that, and, alright, and it's, it's very much we're pretending now, and which is great.

And, and just to be clear, to reiterate, I was wearing, A prophylactic device in the shape of a human phallic organ. And I was not, that was, I was not naked and you did not see any of my personal body in that movie, contrary to popular belief. That is basically a strap on situation that you saw in that movie, just, just to clear the water.

I don't want people thinking like, Oh, Jay Busey's showing his flank on the film. Freaking movie now. You got your own urban legend now, right? Yeah, cool. No, that was that had a white elastic band And I wore it over my shorts So, yeah what an interesting thing and we shot all of those Simulated sex scenes back to back to back like same night or same two nights.

So it was like Each night, it was like that girl Bai Ling, and then it's and then it's Ginger, and then it was Kate, and then it was very And then there's a scene where I have to put this fake pig head on, and I'm doing this simulated rape scene with a pig head on. These are not the things that you think you're going to be doing when you're like in acting class, and you're like, I'm going to be an actor.

It's the last thing you think you're gonna be doing. My God. Yeah, put on a big pig head, strap on a pretend penis, and have simulated sex with the world's most famous porn star. Never thought that would happen. But hey, they paid well, and it was a true story. And I think true stories are always good to be told.

Does that help you take the role? Likey. That it was a true story. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. If it was just somebody's willy nilly idea. Of just clown robots from space having sex in the underworld with Nazi zombies. Like I'm just, it's not, you know, it's not my deal. I don't really like it. I already been there.

Let's talk about two of our buddies worked on that movie as well. Joe Castro. He did all the special effects. I think he did the, he made the pig mask and a new temple temple. I think you've worked with more than anyone else in the history of the world. Lou's a brother of mine. Yeah. Lou and I, Lou and I are good friends.

He's a, he's a great guy. He is, he is a brother of mine. He. He has a wonderful essence about him and he has a childlike enthusiasm with the seriousness of a sixth grade nun. He, he, you know, he approaches the work with great seriousness. And he's He's very, very dedicated to whatever the project is.

And he gets so into it that he comes to blows with the directors because he's got such a strong vision of like how great the, you know, thing could be. A lot of times I had to say, Lou, just relax, just, just, just do the acting part and let's let the director direct it. Well, that's, well, let's just do the scene.

And we have a good time together. We, we we spent about five years. Pitching a TV series trying to get a TV series off the ground and we got a good team behind us we had producers and showrunners and Like we had well you you met my manager larry. We had this group and and and we'd spent so long working on it that we kind of went past the the cultural window because it was a TV show that was going to be about running weed on the east coast up and down from the south To the north to the south to the north so the show would kind of take place Like imagine a moonshine running show except that it's it's weed and it's two rival families like Hatfields and McCoys and they're who's gonna They're tobacco farmers and and they're gonna they switch to growing weed And the show's about the competition of one of them going legal and legit and the other one staying on the underground and lots of car chases and a love story between the Girl of the other family and my character and then he plays my brother who's this wisecracking Wacky funny guy and you know the show would have like hot rods and muscle cars and government stuff and lots of washington dc stuff with all the legalities of marijuana and the states and the alcohol stuff and You know, we had it all wrapped up.

We took it like for example Like we I think we went to netflix that after I'd done stranger things and you know the president of the place ted sarandos was like my best buddy at the premiere of stranger things and and we You know So we brought him the show and he says, yeah, you know take it to my associate.

So we brought the show to the associate and they said, Oh, This is an amazing script, but we're, we're not doing shows like this right now. And I said, what do you mean shows like this? And it took me a minute to get it, to figure it out. And then finally my manager looks at it and he looks at the casts that we had, the ideal cast characters on it, you know, and it was yeah, the people are the wrong color.

So the politics of the earth got, or of the, of the country got in the way. And things, things as crazy as like. Are you kidding? You think Hollywood is gonna do a series and, and, and film a tv show about people in the south? You're kidding? Those people are crazy, right wing nuts. Like, we'd never do that. So, I just, it hadn't occurred to me.

I was just like, I grew up watching Dukes of Hazzard. And, and there was two states that were, had legalized weed. It was like, California and Colorado. Lou came up with a balance of the idea. And you know, we thought it was going to be the next greatest thing since sliced cheese. But we were the wrong color and the wrong part of the country.

And And everybody turned us down, so. We got to do Pig Killer. Yeah, well, I'd watch all nine seasons of that show if you make it. Dude, it would be an amazing show. The pilot episode that I wrote was really fucking awesome. But, anyway So, yeah, and Lou, it was great to work with him. And then And Joe, he, he, that guy works fast.

He's very effective. I was, I was surprised. He was just always busy. And he made some scary, gory things. The only thing that I had issue with that he did, I thought he was fantastic. Everything he did was great. But I just couldn't come around with the The mangled penis that kurt bonzel has Could you imagine i'm just thinking about someone watching this podcast that hasn't seen pig killer Like i've already talked about two different guys knobs myself included ginger lynn Like all the people getting killed.

Yeah, it's a crazy movie. It's good though. It's a good movie The music is something else. The music really just throws you off. I actually, while I was watching that movie, I downloaded the soundtrack to that. And that like, I, I don't know, I can't tell you the last time I downloaded a soundtrack to a fucking, to a movie.

Well, it's basically like All those songs from the eighties, like from 16 candles and, and you know, whatever, all those movies that were like the high school dance movies, you know breakfast club, all that stuff. So let's you, you worked with Chad on another movie too, that I just recently watched scalper.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did Scalper right after Pig Killer. With Bai Ling, Joe Castro did the special effects again on that. Kelly Maroney was in this one. Yeah. And This, oh, this was another wild one, man. Holy shit, this one, the opening of this one, I was like, Whoa, whoa. Yeah, I, I Well, that was one. So, okay, so, Kate in the Pig Killer, She and I started doing like right as the movie finished and so we were very happy and having a, just a great time together and Chad knew this.

And so all through post production, he was editing the film and he was like, he'd call her and her, cause she's a producer on it. She had brought him the idea. He'd call her and say, Hey, I'm doing this. Do you want to see? And she'd be like, yeah, it sounds good. Jake's here too. Oh, really? And so then we would do these like conference calls and we would, we were watching all of his rough cuts.

And then at a certain point he said, Hey, do you want to read this script? You want to do scalper and you guys can play like a, a couple that is detectives. And I thought, well, that just sounds fantastic. I thought we've, we've got a little team here. Whoa, God love it. Whoa, look out. And just like that, my world was flipped upside down.

Like a week before we started the movie, Kate's like, you know, I just, I can't. I can't be in a relationship. No, I just, I can't date you anymore. What do you mean? I just can't, I got to focus on my career. I was like, what? Just like that. You got any notes for me? Like, did I do anything wrong? She's like, no, you're nicest guy I've ever met, but I just got to focus on my career.

And this is right. This is before you start filming a week before we start. So we start filming and I'm just pissed. I'm like, Fuck hurts, you know pissed and hurt like why what what you know and so I was kind of just Just trying to suppress my frustration and hurt and anger throughout that whole shoot and I don't remember any of it so All I remember is the autopsy scene and then the scene up in malibu At the house because it was this amazing house We filmed out with a pool outside and it was all white and marble and stuff.

It was really cool the guy that owns the house is really nice it was one of those like robin leach houses, you know, well, i'm stars with the rich and famous I walk in this house. I'm like, oh my god who gets to live like this, you know and Yeah. Having grown up in Malibu, it was like, well, this is my hometown.

I never, you knew, I never knew it could look like this, you know? So we get to film a movie there. I guess that's how it works. Completely different role from from pig killer for you. What's it, so what's it like working with Chad? Does he have like a, is he like a dark dude? Like, cause he wrote both of these, right?

He, I think he has a dark dude. He's got, he's very happy on the outside. He has kind of a nervous giggle. And he's, you know, he's he's always thinking and he's very matter of fact. And he doesn't have a darkness like, Hey, what's up? And he's just like, Nope, nope. Yeah, it's going to be pretty cool. You're going to go cut her head off.

Yep. It'll be cool. So let's go do it. You know, he's, he's just a real, just the darkness is somewhere inside, but he's a, He's he works fast. He's very pragmatic. He's he, he's not, he's like the polar opposite to say, like, you know, David Fincher, right? So when he shoots something, he does a take or two and it can look totally different between the two takes.

Like how he did the camera. He shoots a lot of it too, I think, but he's got his main guy that always Mark that always holds the camera. I don't know. I guess I'm conflating Chad with Robert Rodriguez. They look nothing alike.

Yeah. Now, Chad, Chad is just, yeah, he moves real fast, you know. There's none of the standard formula like, okay, we're rolling. Everybody be quiet. Okay. Ready on the set. Let's go. Camera, please. Alright. Sound. Okay. Good. You set. You guys set. Everybody's safe. Here we go. Action. Chad's just like, okay, we're rolling the camera, so do it.

And then when you're done, he's like, okay, let's do it again. And you're like, did you cut? No, no, no, we'll just do it again. Okay, fine. And it's just very like boom, boom, boom. And I grew to really like his style because You, you can look at the, your day's work. Here's your day, you get like a pack of pages we call sides.

And it's like, whatever pages you're going to film that day. And, my first thing is, You know, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, my line, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, my line, bullshit, okay, bullshit, bullshit, my line, okay, great, I'm gonna have a pretty light day today, this looks good and with Chad's stuff, I, I realized there will be times where I think, oh no, it's gonna be a really tough day.

This looks like a really complicated, intricate shot. And I'm imagining how I would shoot it. And like, Oh, this is a crane shot with a reverse thing and that, and a big master. And we got to get into these. And he's like, no, let's just, he just shoots it with one camera and it's very straightforward moves real quick.

So there's a lot of like, it's an edification with like, it's like, yeah, we, we did a lot today and a short amount of time. And you know, it's not high art, but it's entertaining. Thank you. Yeah, they're both great movies. I mean, as disturbing as they both are, they're both great movies. Yeah, it's an art form and there are, there's a big audience for that.

I get, I get a little too weaked out to watch stuff, although when I was a kid, I basically wore out our VHS copy of the shining, it was like 1983, 82, 83 in that somewhere in there. And I watched that movie over and over and over the shining and poltergeist And then silence of the lambs later on when I was a grown up, but as a kid, yeah, those were I liked those thriller twister mental dark movies, you know, but I didn't really do the slasher friday the 13th texas halloween So It's interesting to do these movies.

I know that there's an audience for them, but It's fun to play around as an actor. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, yeah highly recommended. Definitely go check them out Go ahead, right? Yeah, so so when you finish one of these type of movies, what did you do to like come down and relax? Get back to normal.

Oh Well with pig killer we were up in acton out in the high desert. So there was a A location change Aspect of relativity in my head. Well, I think the answer for that one is I spent a lot of time at Kate's house She just bought a new condo and and We spent a lot of time there after the movie and came down from the film and had a lot of a lot of great fun lots of dinners and hiking in the hills and

Yeah, just that excitement of being in a new relationship and which I hadn't felt in 15 years. So it was it was, it was quite quite, quite amazing. It was a real happy elated time to come off of that really dark film and then be so ecstatically happy. So it was a bit of a rollercoaster that year.

That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's you still have a little bit of time. Sure. Yeah. Well, cause I have a, I have a bunch of stuff here. We, we jump all over the place. Let's talk about a feel good movie. A boy called sailboat. Oh yes. This was such a great movie, man. You're only in it for. Five minutes maybe, but what a fucking great movie.

JK Rowling's Lou, Lou temple again. Noel, I don't know how to say his last name. Jewel. He just, he just goes by Noel G. Okay. Yeah. He's in a lot of stuff. He plays, he's like, he's like the Vato gangster from East LA. He, he plays those characters very well. So I, I actually recommended him for the role to the director, because I had known him for a long time.

He's a great guy. He's a good friend. So Yeah, it was neat to meet J. K. Simmons, you know, and and Did I say J. K. Rowlings? I have that written down wrong, sorry. But that would have been funny though, to have the writer from Harry Potter in an independent film about a kid in New Mexico. That's what happens with fucking spellcheck, damn it.

Yeah, so so, A Boy Called Sailboat is a really interesting movie. It's about a young Mexican boy in New Mexico. New Mexico in the desert very impoverished town and he's a quiet kid that doesn't talk and he finds a ukulele in a trash pile and he starts to play it. And when he plays it, it's like an angelic tune that like, it cuts through to people's inner soul.

There's kind of the message of the movie. So people hear it and their innermost true self is revealed or begins to be revealed. So that's why when my character. My character is this guy who's kind of like an out of shape gym instructor who thinks he's real funny and he's He's got this curly wig and And when he hears the ukulele, he gets to his true self.

He ditches the wig so he's just a bald guy and he shows up dressed like a an old hippie instead of a Gym teacher and that was the purpose of my character and everyone else had different opinions Reserved different purposes and had different reasons that film was produced by a friend of mine. Well, there's a group of guys that are friends that have made different movies and help each other out with different things And so it was my friend An angel niga, who we were in the first 20 million is always the hardest.

Back in 2002 is the 20th century Fox comedy about Silicon Valley, the.com explosion. The movie went nowhere. Nobody saw it. They released it for a weekend and pulled it, but an angel and I became friends. Now he's producer, so it was because of him. He made a couple phone calls to the Australian cats, and one of the producers is a guy named Richie who.

Has property in Montana and Angel brought me and we shot the movie Rust the western up in Montana This last may finish we finished it this with the second the second, you know, the re reboot the sure, you know in may up there, so, yeah, that that movie was kind of the beginning of a great relationship with a group of different people that make these independent films and And and the boy called sailboat Led to me being in, in, in the most recent one I've done with those guys, which is Russ.

Yeah. What's it called? What's the new one called? Oh, there's another movie that we're going to do later this year. We're going to start shooting it. So it's too early to talk about, but really cool script. Yeah, this, I mean, I'm looking forward to that already, even without knowing anything about it. Cause I really liked this movie.

A boy, a boy called several. It was really good. It's, it's like you know, it's, it's, it's a, Young kid coming of age. It's kind of an ethereal thing. It's kind of got notes of I guess I don't know if you I mean the directors or Australian guy, I don't know if you'd say like religious tones to it but it has a spiritual element and it's kind of slow and quiet and It's one of those offbeat Indies, you know, I mean, yeah really you know, a kid that doesn't speak that picks up a ukulele and transforms the town by playing it, I guess is enough.

That's, that's . That describes it. , yeah. Yeah. That's all you need. That's all you need to say. I, I highly recommend It's a great movie. Here's another one I wanna talk about. Bluegrass Spirits. Just watch this the other day. Ah, bluegrass Spirits. There's a movie that could have won some, could have won some fricking awards.

Man, great script and first time director. He wrote it and directed it. We shot it down in Lexington, Kentucky. Great people, great places. Really cute little script. You know, it's about a guy who's an alcoholic who is a whiskey distiller, like a mom and pop whiskey distiller. So him and his sister and it's her recipe to make the whiskey.

So before the movie starts, she passes away. So he's a lonely guy. Sad drunk. Every night he opens up his bottle of whiskey, pours a little in the glass, he sniffs it, doesn't drink it, puts it back. So we realize he's sober now and he just, it's the last whiskey of the great whiskey that he made with his sister.

And we see there's elements again of like a spiritual nature where her ghost is like in the bottle kind of thing. And there's a real fun Wisecrackin gal who runs the tour guides through the whiskey distillery. And, you know, it's like Napa Valley with the wine and the wine tasting rooms. They have that same thing down there, the Bourbon Trail in the south.

So you go and you go to these little distilleries and you taste the bourbon and you, Sit around the room and you watch how they make it and they, they talk all about it as if it's some high spiritual art. I guess it is spirits. So that movie could have been fantastic, but he didn't. The director didn't know that he needed to allocate enough money to shoot close ups.

So the poor guy and then didn't put a score in so there was no close ups to really tell it's like show you what the People are thinking like everything's like back like this sure and so you don't really get a feel It's a real deeply emotional Very it's it's one of those movies that like every scene should be shot like like this because it's really just Deep human issues talking with, you know, man and woman, man and friend, friend and woman, like, like all these, like, how do we get through life?

How do we deal with alcoholism? How do we deal with the loss of family? How do we deal with, I'm a bourbon distiller, but I can't drink because it's just destroyed me. And now I'm back on my feet and then fall off the wagon again, and then having friends trying to help and, and then, you know, Some fun times in the movie with some people, you know that come into the place and they're having some fun partying and stuff so We were doing these really heavy great written really good scenes And he you know, he's shooting like this.

You have no idea How i'm feeling because i'm so far away from the camera and And that frustrated me and then I watched the movie and I was like, oh, there's no score to tell you How the emotion is going with the scene. So it's just like, what is going on here? And then finally the last scene of the movie, he shot a closeup and I saw myself and I, you know, I've came to tears and I was dealing with my sister's ghost and all this stuff.

And finally I was like, Oh yes, I was working. Yes. I was, I was delivering a performance in this movie, God damn it. But you don't see it. So that was one of those where you just. I asked him a hundred times while we were there like we're gonna do we're gonna finish this with close ups No, I don't have enough money.

We don't have enough time. We got to just move on next thing I mean, but it's important. So I don't know. That's my point of view Let me know what you think down in the comments and I'll get back with you So, I mean I liked it. I mean, but yeah now that you now that you say I mean, I'm not a I'm not an actor filmmaker or anything like that, but I guess now that you say it, I mean, I enjoyed the movie.

I thought it was a great movie. The dialogue was great. And it's, it's kind of hits home with you a little bit. Like you're you're recently sober, right? Yeah. I've had my ups and downs with it, but I, I, my life had come to a complete disastrous train wreck in 2010, 2011. I finally quit drinking in May of 2011 and it was necessary.

And it turned everything around. I wound up getting back together with my girlfriend that we had spent the entire nineties with. And we had our daughter. We played house in a couple of houses and we're engaged and virtually basically married. She called me her husband. And that lasted about 10 years and about a year before pig killer.

I think the, the, the pandemic was we came to a, we came to a realization that It would be healthier for our daughter if we were to co parent and raise our daughter together, but not in the same house. So so yeah, so it's a new, it's a new horizon at this point. But all throughout the pandemic, she we were, we were living up at our house that we've been at for a decade up there in Topanga Canyon.

Nice big house. But we were always this close from being able to afford to buy it. You know, when we just, you know, Couldn't get it together. And she came down with breast cancer and she had to have a double mastectomy. And so that was, we started the pandemic with her UCLA and she had, she was scheduled for her surgery when she came out of surgery, it was a Thursday, I think, and her friend, her best buddy forever happens to know a guy who's like an uncle to me, a guy named Cheech Marin, Cheech and Chong, and her friend.

She tells me, she goes, she's in the hospital, she's had her surgery and we're talking, she says, Hey, my, my buddy called me and said she talked to Cheech and the word on the street is they are going to shut down Los Angeles on Monday. So, we have, you, that, that might be a thing. Like, really? She said, yeah, they're talking about like a quarantine thing for like a, maybe a couple weeks.

And so she spent the first week of, or she spent her week of recovery in the hospital the first week of the pandemic. So it was very strange. It was like this dystopian apocalyptic world where there's no cars in the streets, nobody in the hospital, nobody on any of the floors. All the lights are turned off and I'm like walking through the hospital trying to get to her room and find her and bring her flowers and stuff.

And like, it's all dark and she's the only one in the hospital. And man, it was. So weird. And now we found out that she was lying about the whole damn thing. Six feet was arbitrary and we didn't really know. And Lockdowns didn't really work. So we just, whatever. So it's a bit of a pisser, but you know, here in California, I don't know where you guys are, there's people still walking around wearing masks.

They're, they're called crazy people. It's I watched them. A woman, I went to the pharmacy today. Get my blood pressure medication and there's this woman She kind of stepped in front of me as I was walking by You know the one of those moments where you're like, oh, sorry And she had to grab something off the shelf grabbed her self like two six packs of masks What is going on here the week after Fauci says well as it turns out we really did masks don't do anything What the fuck shit, man.

Up until October, I traveled to the country for work. Got laid off in October, but I traveled while I was all for eight weeks during that, that whole thing. But after we started traveling again, like I was in the airports. You know, four o'clock in the morning by myself, no one around. And, and I remember specifically this one guy would kick him up to me, like got within like a foot of me and was screaming at me for not wearing a mask.

And I was like, dude, like until fucking two minutes ago, there was no one else around me. You know what I mean? Just fucking move along. Yeah, it's, it's a trip. It's a trip. Well, you know, what's really weird is and I think this is from growing up. Okay. I found out that kids that grow up in a. Abusive dysfunctional household become very aware.

Dr. Drew said this to Dave Rubin the other night, I think he said, kids that grow up in a abused households are very aware and they're very, they can spot things in people. That that normal people or non abused people wouldn't and I grew up in a very verbally abusive drug fueled Crazy house because my dad was just insane in the 80s, you know And every cocaine fueled actor in malibu in the 80s was there it was just a constant party And so it's a hard way to grow up And but i'm really really like I was the quiet kid that just watched everything And took it all in and I knew when this one friend of my dad's Was full of shit and he high on cocaine and he was lying.

And I could tell like a poker player and like I knew, and I, you know, I'd see couples like the, the grownups and I'd see, like I knew that I saw this guy with this other chick in the bedroom at this house party. And now he's here talking to his girlfriend and he's telling her a different story and I can see his body language and I know how he's bullshitting.

Right. And then I've been acting for 30 years and grew up on film sets so long. Winded of course, that's me, but I can read shit. So when all that stuff went down bro, I don't know about you traveling in the airports and the guy With the mask too close to you like from the very beginning. I was like Something's wrong in denmark.

This isn't right. This is what they're saying And what i've always heard from my ocd mother about germs viruses and bacteria like None of this is jiving, like, it doesn't make sense, like, there were so many steps of that whole period of time, and then we're dealing with a woman who's healing from a double mastectomy who has cancer, now she's getting chemotherapy and radiation, and this is my daily life, and we're trying to function, meanwhile the whole world is saying close down, but I'm watching the body language, and I'm watching tells and retractions, The whole thing where he was like you got to wear masks.

Oh, you don't need to wear masks Oh, you got to wear masks or like the freaking great barrington declaration with bodichario Whereas they're like they came through with all this and of course anyway, I don't want to go off on that but Being an actor and going through that whole covet thing I was like I knew the whole freaking time and I was so glad that russell brand finally came out and just started laying it down because because Somebody had to and he waited he made sure that his facts were straight before he just Like me, I had to really watch myself.

I didn't say anything because I knew I would have just been blurting out shit and everyone would have been going conspiracy theory, fucking get out. Right. So I didn't say anything, but I'm glad now, you know, I can say something now that we know what the truth is, but like, man, it's, it's, it was crazy. And but April, she got, she got through the cancer.

And then and then and then, you know, she's about a year later,

I think it was when I was doing pig killer, she came down with liver and pancreas cancer. So, she had to do two more surgeries and more chemo and more of that stuff. So, so then we, I moved, I, it didn't really work out with Kate, so I, I moved in and stayed with her and my daughter and, and just was there with them while she was going through that all last year.

And the chemo, and the rainstorms, and that we were up in the mountains in a cabin she had gotten. So I was tending the wood fire stove all day, and chopping wood, and going to the grocery store, and taking my kid to school, and back, and in the rain, and there's dump trucks, and graders, and all that stuff.

Remember California almost washed into the water, into the ocean? So that was a hell of a year, but she's she's better now She's I'm starting to walk again and she had a whole year of being unable to get out of bed. So

But yeah, well, it's good that she's no better. It's really good. Yeah Yeah life it keeps going and there's well a great man once said the only constant Is change? Yep. So or what would somebody say? The only thing that doesn't change is that it changes something clever, but You know, you gotta that's the whole thing, right?

You just gotta adapt and keep moving forward and just just so long as everyone's happy and and You know, you try and make it together and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out Whatever's you know, we wanted to do for us. I don't know about you guys, but having a kid like we wanted to do You Whatever was going to Be the least disruptive for my daughter's childhood for her growing up Yep, and the least amount of negativity the least amount of fighting the least amount of yelling And she told me the other day You know, she's 11 and she told me the other day that she has ptsd from something that happened and I asked her what it was, and she said it was this one day where she was on the couch, and 20 feet away Mama and I were yelling at each other in the kitchen.

And I felt really bad about that, and I, at the same time I thought, my god, I am really glad that she didn't have to be exposed to what it's like to live with Gary Busey when he's high on coke for two weeks straight. That was a childhood. So. I'm glad things are changing in a way that like, you know, like her biggest PTSD thing is one argument.

We yelled at each other in the kitchen for maybe 10 minutes and then I, I said, shut up, shut it down. Autumn can see us. She can hear us. And but she's still, you know, that's a lot better, right? That's improved. Well, I have to ask then how's your relationship with your dad? How are you guys getting along now?

Well As good as you could my dad, so here's another thing. You remember the presidential election in 2020? Yep. I knew that the Democrats had a problem on their hands because I was dealing with the same problem at home. So, you know, Dad fell off his motorcycle December 4th, 1988, and he lost a good portion of his frontal lobe.

And he also did, he will, he will tell you. I'm not telling you anything he wouldn't. He did cocaine for 20, 30 years in every form, fashion, and motive. And definitely much worse and much more full throttle after the brain injury. So I think because there is no like, you know, maybe I shouldn't be doing this after the brain injury.

It was just like, yeah, this is great. We need more. So, so he, you know, he's, he's done a lot of damage to his melon. So when I was watching those presidential debates, I was like, Oh, We got problems coming. So that's what I'm dealing with. Now, if you look at your TV and you see the recent news around our white house, I got that going on at home, except he, you know, he's Gary and not the other guy, you know?

Yeah. Well, it's unfortunate for the president because at this point it's, it's. Elder abuse. Like why the, why are they letting him get out there like that? Oh, it's, it's no, it's been elder abuse since 2020. No putting him up for the, for running was I, this is what I'm saying. Like I saw back then, like he was, he was gone.

He was, he was gone. And if you look at the tapes and a lot of podcasts now are running the tapes, like here's 2020 here's now here's 2020. Wow. He was much better in 2020. But compare 2020 to 2008, you know, like there was a lot so having a father with dementia or If it's early, I mean, I think it's dementia because he had the motorcycle accident He basically gave himself a frontal lobotomy and I'm looking at my dad and then I'm looking at the guy on TV And I'm like same things happening and I couldn't believe that like America couldn't see it I'm like, how, how do you not see this?

But maybe it's because I was dealing with it at home, you know? Right. So, he lives alone now. His, his newest wife with my little brother, they, they, they took off. They couldn't deal with him anymore. He was too abrasive. Part of the brain trauma thing is they get, they get like, Hey! And he can't hear a thing.

He lost his hearing. So, so there's, he walked in the house and he's like, Hey! Come here! You know. And what? Hey dad, how you doing? What dad? How are you? Huh? I just figured I'd bring you some listen. What? Come here. I'm watching the tv. Dr. Phil's on. Okay All right. Does he one of those guys do that? He thinks he can hear and won't get a hearing aid Yes, but then he finally got a hearing aid, but then he doesn't wear them or they fall out He doesn't know and then like he recently got some new ones So he's been wearing them and like he can actually kind of hear you a little bit But like I was going, I was going, we were working on a movie last week and I'm in the truck and I was driving to the set and he called.

So I took the phone call and he needed a phone. He needed me to call a taxi for him because he can't drive anymore. And he wanted to get from his house down to the middle of the Malibu to go to the cigar lounge. And that's what his deal is. He goes and hangs out with the guys at the cigar lounge and smoke cigars.

And then he, he goes home. That's his day. So. It took me 40 minutes of driving to convey the phone number to him and he can't. Use the phone to text. He's just, it's not gonna happen. He, he can't figure anything out. Like he, he, there's no, there's no technological wherewithal at all. He's 79. So he the producer of the film was with me.

He was riding shotgun as we were driving, and when I hung up the phone, he said, oh my God, is that the way it is? All the time. Yes, that's the way it is now. It's just, you know, time keeps going by. Yeah. I hate to like, I hate to, when we have someone on who has a famous father, I hate to turn it over to that.

But since we're talking about it, this, this. Fascinated me when I was doing my research for, for you, we talked, do you know who Larry Hankin is? He's he's you've seen him in everything. He was a old Joe in breaking bad. He worked at the junkyard. He was, he's in a, he was the guy in the hall and friends, the cat guy and friends.

Oh, he, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him. So, so we had him on our show, right? And he told us this long story about how Bob Dylan came to see him in a club in California when he was doing comedy. And then he got hooked up with Robbie Robertson and they flew him to Woodstock in like, you know, he was at big pink hanging out with everyone in the band, everything.

And they had him. They wanted him to write a script for a movie called Carney. And when I'm researching this for, when I'm researching your, your episode, I'm listening to an old podcast that you did. And you're, you're talking about growing up with musicians like fucking Robbie Robertson in your house. Leon Russell, Willie Nelson, T Bone Burnett.

Like, and then, and then your dad did a movie with Robbie Robertson called Carney. I was like, Holy shit. And actually, and Larry Hanking got paid money for that. And that's amazing. We shot that in Savannah, Georgia. I had my eighth birthday. I brought a piece of birthday cake to the lunch tank with the straw hay on the floor.

It's a little. Traveling Carnival. All the cast and the crew was having lunch and they, they brought a cake because it was my 8th birthday and my dad and Robbie were the producers. We anyway, so I, I, Jodie Foster was one of the carnies. She, she was the burlesque dancer. She had long straight blonde hair.

And she was she was a grownup to me. She was 16 and I had the biggest crush on her. And I brought her a piece of my birthday cake, eight years old. It looked like a little walking Q tip. Hey Jody, here's a piece of birthday cake. She was so sweet. She said, Oh, thank you, Jake. She was really nice. And she remembered that when I ran into her in 1995 when we were shooting Contact at the Culver Studio.

It was really cool. But yeah, we lived with the Robertsons. So they, we had one of those big palatial mansions in Savannah, Georgia. And you know, you walk in and it's just a staircase that goes up, right? And the house is shaped like a u and so The right side was the bucees and the left side was the robertsons And they had a music studio and my dad and robbie did all the music for the movie and then and so, you know alexandria, sebastian and delphine and I just were kids in the house and they brought their Chef from montreal.

He was a french guy and he he cooked all of our meals and he had pet pigeons off the back It was a cool experience And yeah, yeah, I spent, spent the whole summer in Savannah, Georgia, just towing around the little carnival. And dad was playing a crazy dunk tank clown and Robby was like the suave, you know, ticket master.

It was, it was, it was good. It was good. Yeah. I started watching it today. Actually. I didn't, I didn't get to finish it yet, but dark. I found it. Yeah. It's dark. I found it on YouTube. Yeah. It was made during that, like, you know, Urban cowboy, Mr. Good bar, you know, taxi driver coming home, deer hunter. So like all those movies had to be dark.

So you couldn't see anything and a sad ending. So yeah, it's, it's in that seventies art house, you know, era thing. So it was good. Yeah. I find that fascinating. I'm a huge band guy. I love the band. Oh man, it was great. Like, cause Robbie, they, you know, they're dead. We'd been around when they were putting together the last waltz and they had the studio that I guess Rick Rubin owns it now, but it's a studio in Malibu called Shangri La.

And I spent most of my childhood well, no, not most of it, but throughout my childhood, that was only a half mile from the house. And dad was always there. I think recording studios, that's where all the Coke was in the eighties. So dad was always recording studios, but he was friends with everybody and they were always making music.

He did a great record with like Robbie and then Jim Keltner playing drums and Danny Johnson on guitar. And it was like a solo thing. They did some What was his name? Was it Delbert Burnett? T Bone, not T Bone Burnett, different family, Billy Burnett, the guitar player, his dad he, he, he had a famous song in the fifties and my dad remade it.

It was really cool. I loved it. Is that available anywhere? I don't know. He probably has a real to real 16 millimeter tape of it, like 16 track or eight track. He did some really cool stuff. And but then there was lots of just. Tapes that he was recording of himself playing acoustic guitar just high as a kite just day after day They were coming out of his studio at the house But a lot of you know made for a lot of interest I remember one night david sanborn came over to the house with nolte and They they dragged me out of bed at four in the morning.

So I come play drums. I was like 11 So I was playing drums and these guys, you know They're out partying and they needed a drummer because they wanted to come home and play some music. Were you a drummer? You Yeah, I still am. Yeah. So this, so like, did that, did that then turn you off of drugs then? Or did.

Yeah, I've never, ever tried cocaine any of the hallucinogens, nothing. I mean, I smoked some weed when I was a teenager, actually. So a friend of mine, his father is a dude who was a talent manager for comedians. He had Bobcat Goldthwait, the unknown comic. A bunch of these guys and he was this dude and he was laid back and he always had a big long beard, man.

And he had he wore a robe around the house. He had Oriental rugs on the floor and he lived in a place that was an old barn and he had a big screen TV, lots of porn on it that I didn't really watch once or twice. And so he always had a lot of weed. And he was quite the dude and he lived right down the street from Jeff Bridges.

And when that movie came out, I was like, Oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting coincidence. Cause they were all friends back then, you know, small town. But my friend, yeah, he we'd smoke weed every now and then. And his dad was like, he caught us once. And he's like, Hey, you kids are going to be smoking weed, man.

You got to do it when I'm here at the house with you, by the way, the canister over there is hash and that's a little smoother if you want that. So so yeah, that was it. I didn't do the drugs, man, that I saw it was the Coke was just so prevalent. And all I saw of coke started at the age of eight in nineteen eight nineteen seventy nine and All I saw was sweaty, stinky people talking way too fast, way too loud, and way too much.

And I just, it was gross. And then they got mean. And then they got dark. And then their eyes turned black. And, so I never wanted to try it. And I remember being in junior high and hearing whispers. Some kid had some and another kid, and then they were all excited. And I'm like, you fucking idiots. You have no idea what you're messing with.

But yeah, you know what? Funny enough. Talking about families and parents and how we grow up and reactions and all that. What happened to me was my dad would temper his drug use with vodka or champagne. There was a champagne called Pouille Fusée in the 80s, which was like the equivalent of, say, Cristal today.

And vodka was new, you know, Cold War. We hadn't really had much import from Russia. So there was like one vodka, Stolichnaya, and so, He would have that. So I wound up being so repulsed by all that that I wound up like Being that guy that watches football and drinks a bunch of light beer and that was my downfall was like, well, it's not coke It's not hard alcohol It's just i'm just drinking beer like everybody goes to football games or the racetrack or wherever i'm just drinking light beer But that will get away from you if you've got the alcoholic gene, so it did and It was a distraction, took me away from my career and that's a bummer, but that's, that's over.

I'm, I'm focused on the career. Now I've got three movies lined up to shoot and I'm ready for more and rust is coming out hopefully in the fall cause it's going to go to con and hopefully get distribution there. So awesome, man. Yeah. It's things have everything that I've seen that you've been in lately has been fantastic, man.

Let's, Rust isn't in my notes at all. I forgot that you were, is it, so did they completely reshoot everything for that or how are they doing that? There was some that they kept and then there was I think two scenes. That I had to redo that were, they had shot one half of it. So they were going to keep the, the one half, say a pointed East, and then they needed to now reshoot the side pointed West with different actors.

Cause there were some actors that didn't want to come back. They were like, fuck this. I'm I'm out of here. So, so they, and they were pretty big name actors. And so that was weird. They were trying to direct me in a fashion as to like so I could reproduce what they had shot before. With the blocking and the timing of walking to the gun cabinet and grabbing the gun and shutting it and spinning around and then giving one of the guns to the other, the marshal and then leaving and I just, I wasn't getting it from the direction.

And they said, Oh, okay. Okay. You know what? Here, watch this. And they showed me the iPad of the other guys doing it. And I was like, Oh, that's what you want me to do. Okay. And we got it in one take. And I didn't, I wasn't insulted by that. Kind of like a line reading for blocking. That was, I didn't really care.

I got the job done, but it was really sad that everything that happened around Russ was very sad. That's a shame that it happened. But you know, yeah. If there is anything positive to be taken from it, it's that the woman who took over and finished the movie was one of her good, dear friends and knew her style and knew her thing and did the best she could to honor her vision and what she was going for with the movie.

So that was cool. There was kind of a somber vibe on that film because everyone just had this kind of reverence of respect and Acknowledgement of her passing and we were, we were finishing the movie so that her last work would be finished and able to be seen for her family. And then they, they've signed over.

The film to widower. So he's now the main executive producer. And so all, all of, if that movie makes any money at all, every penny goes to the family. Nice. So, you know, still didn't bring her back, but it's, it's, I think they did the right thing with that. And I think it's going to be a good movie. Yeah, I had always wondered what they were going to do with the, with that.

Yeah, I felt, I felt, you know, it was interesting. I felt honored to be a part of finishing something that, you know, to be working on a project in order to complete it in Helena's honor. You know what I mean? Like for her dignity as a person on the earth and for her family. And so that, that there was. So her last thing could be revered and appreciated.

And I hadn't met her. I didn't know her. I wasn't around, you know. For the first part. So sure, but it's going to be a great movie. It is going to be a great movie. So yeah, it's good to, it's good to hear that that there, that it will be coming out eventually. We don't want to take too much more of your time.

We have four fan questions here yet. Kyle Patton says, put your hand on the wall. But no, seriously ask him if having a father that played in so many iconic movies or roles made it easier or more difficult to be accepted in Hollywood. Well, Carl, that is a really good question. Both, actually. You know, Bill Maher said something real catty on his show a month ago.

About nepo babies and those dastardly nepo babies I remember meeting bill maher when I was a kid and then I he was in dc cab with my dad and then And then I did politically incorrect a couple times and we never had a beef But he certainly had a beef with nepo babies and I gotta say Every profession that we have, you know People run a grocery store and the kids grow up and they they run the store and take it over.

You know, you got the local town shoemaker, and he has a kid, the kid grows up, he's a shoemaker. Family business! So America was founded on family business, but somehow the entertainment industry, people get weird about it. Nobody gets weird about it when it's like, you know, Kiefer Sutherland or Charlie Sheen or Bridget Fonda or anything, but like, somehow, I'm, I'm like eight to ten years younger than that generation, and I, I don't know, somehow I, I can't go anywhere without anyone asking about my dad.

And I don't think they suffered that. It, it To answer the question directly, it, having the name definitely surprised most of the casting directors in L. A. because they thought Gary Busey has a kid? Because he really, we, we, we didn't go out on the town with him. We traveled to all of his movie locations, and that was a wonderful way to grow up.

He's like a military brat. I got to see a lot of the country, meet a lot of normal, real good, just American folks and live in a bunch of different regions of the country. So, I know what the Pacific Northwest is like, I know what the East is like, Northeast, New England, the South, Central, everything, like Hawaii.

And it was great. So, we didn't go on the scene in L. A. where the paparazzi was and stuff and it really wasn't a thing back then. So, people were like, Gary Busey's got a kid? Let's let's bring him in let's see him So my one thing was I knew I had to be good because he was nominated for an Academy Award I couldn't go into a room and act like dog shit because that would be it because I wouldn't be some no name guy That they would forget and then maybe bring him in another time It was like no we saw Busey's kid and and they would have an opinion so I had to be good So I spent three years In classes studying film school acting classes making sure that I knew my shit before I went into the rooms and now I've found that it's it's Well, I look looking back on it when I think about all the rumors that i've heard or secondhand things that i've heard I did a tv show And i'd worked for that production company 15 years prior, but it was a tv show a couple years ago And, apparently, before I got there, the morning that I was supposed to start work, and I was going to do a whole season with them, which I did.

But, at that point I wasn't. At that point I was just going to do a one day job with them. And, in the morning before I got there, they had a safety meeting with the crew. Alright everybody, come here. So today, Jake Busey is coming into work. So, just a little warning. You know, it could get rocky. We don't know how it's gonna be but He's gonna be here working.

So if you have any issues or things get rocky, just you know, just just be quiet walk away Tell us if there's anything wrong and we'll we'll handle everything. So I show up and i'm just myself. Hey guys, what's up? Let's do this. This is fucking great. Let's have some fun and at the end of the day The director and the producers all these people they like they rushed me when it was like and that's a good night to jake music They rushed up on to where I was up on like a little stage thing.

They rushed up on the stage and they're like, dude Oh my god, bro. That was a high five. That was awesome. What a day, man Hey, do you want to be here? Do you want to like finish the whole season with us? Do you like want to like stay and do a bunch of episodes? I was like, yeah, that sounds great So apparently what had happened was they were so afraid that I was going to be a nut job, which I don't know why.

The only thing I could think of? Gary Busey. And so they were really afraid that I was going to be crazy because of my dad. And and then when they realized that I wasn't they were like well shit and not only that I was a good actor They were like whoa, let's this what he brought to this role is so great.

Let's keep him all year so It's been a blessing and a curse. It's like, you know, it's good because people are they want to they're curious. But now i'm i'm caught in this thing where it's like I don't get work because i'm not gary bucey I'm, just jake bucey Or, I don't get work because I'm not Gary Busey, I'm Jake Busey.

It's like, it's a weird, it's a, it's a, but I'm working now, which is good. So, I guess I can dump that negative side of the story, but it's, there's certainly like, I'm kind of, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. It's like, you know, I have seen it happen where it's like, Oh, we don't want to hire him because it's like, We'd rather have the real thing, you know?

We'd rather have Gary Busey, not just the Jake guy. But then the other way is like, Oh, no, don't hire him because he might be just like Gary Busey. So we don't want that. We don't want Gary Busey here. So it's I I'm getting hit on both sides of like great reasons not to hire me based on my dad yet i'm nothing like him as a person.

I mean, you know, we got our similarities, but he's you know He's his own dude. That's for sure I mean, you can't take the looks away you guys yeah, but This is true and i've seen pictures of him online and i thought oh, where was I there? Oh, that's not me But I know, you know, I was just talking with a guy on the film set the day before yesterday and he, he was telling a story and the crux of the story.

Was that he looked so much like his dad and and it had nothing to do with me He wasn't telling the story because of me looking like my dad He was just telling the story and the kind of the punch line was that he looked so much like his dad And I said, you know people say that about me too And then he was like, oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Well, it's just genetics. Yeah, everybody kind of looks like their parents so But, it's just that my dad's a wacky famous guy, so, you know, what are you gonna do? Alright, well, unfortunately, there's two other fan questions that have to do with your dad. Here's one that doesn't. Batcushions on Instagram would like to know, What is your favorite movie that you've ever been in and why is it Nazis at the center of the earth?

Why is it? Or why isn't? No, why is it? She, it's a, because I guess it's her favorite. It's, she likes that movie. So, so she's being clever. Okay. Nazi at the center of the earth is my favorite movie that I've done because it's the worst movie I ever did. It's a short answer. That was a money gig and it wasn't enough money.

It just found out that the lady was pregnant and it was like, time to work.

So, well, I just watched that the other day, the guy that played Joseph Bangalow was really fucking good. He was great. Wasn't he? Yeah, he was really good. He told me you were good at everything that you're good at. Everything that you're into, man, is good. Whether the movie is shitty or not. Well, thank you.

I appreciate that. It's not a bad reputation to have, I suppose. Yeah. We've had we've had quite a few actors on like that, that, you know, you just, you gotta work, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, they can't all be coming home. You know, not every one of them is the green mile. All right. Two last questions here.

Tony from the great girth podcast. Ask Jake if he would ever play his father in a future ball pick, if it ever happens.

God instinct is to say no, but I'm not sure, you know, things may change when he's gone. My feelings may change. I don't know. It's a deep one. Alright, and one last one. Tim Josma what is the best piece of acting advice that you ever received from your father?

Well, he's not much of an advice giver. It's all about him with him. But he did, he did once say

hit your mark, find your light and say your line. So that's a good old actor joke. Hit your mark, find your light, say your lines. Yeah. Ray, do you have anything else for Jake? Now other than I enjoy your movies a lot. I think you're a great actor I don't care what these other idiots in hollywood say about you.

They're wrong. You're a great actor Well, thank you. And that's that's all I really have to say This is a pleasure. I had a great time Yeah, this was fun. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, you're welcome back any time man And please plug away where people can find you and all that good stuff. Oh it's Instagram is at the Jake Busey calm and a Twitter used to be at the Jake Busey, but I didn't pay the nine bucks to Elon and now I can't figure out how to do it So my Twitter account is kind of not I have a really Jake Busey.

I've been posting some You Joke, Auntie, like I, you know, you can't tell if a tweet is sarcastic. So I've been posting all these sarcastic tweets and nobody's going to know, like what my stance is on stuff. But anyway, I got to get that figured out, but it's at the Jake Busey is my, is my social stuff. A lot of the people that we've talked to on this podcast that have become friends of ours, they're afraid to talk about some of the stuff that you talked about tonight with the political stuff, because they're afraid of the backlash that they, that they will get in Hollywood.

So it's good to see that you're not afraid to talk about that stuff. I'm not afraid because I know what the truth is now and I'm not going to play those silly games. And if you're an actor and you can't see through the charade I, I find that really twisted. And there's, you know, I was never like, you hear these stories about like, what was it?

The actor talking about drinking the golden juice or like, there's all these Hollywood folklore things about, you know, The underbelly of hot like I never saw any of that aside from like my dad and his buddies like partying I never saw any of the strange twisted things that seem to be going around the internet these days or like sexual abuse or, or like quid pro quo sex favors or weird Illuminati shit.

I mean, that's all, you know, none of that stuff exists, you know, that's all just a bunch of hooey as far as I'm concerned, but the truth is the truth. And and I, I'm kind of kicked out of Hollywood. Long time ago. So I don't care. I do independent films now. I would love to do the big stuff with all the lefty crazies, but they, you know, they don't want me that's, that's clear.

Yeah, we have, I was just texting with him the other day. I won't say his name, but he's legitimately afraid to speak his mind because like he works on in big. Big movies and big TV shows. Like, so he won't say anything about it. And he's like, when I talked to him, he's like, man, he's like, I love talking to you because I can, I can finally vent.

Yeah, I was that way. But now I realized that like, you know, I, for the last four years, I've like, been like delicately preserving my a list career, trying not to like say anything that'll have any backlash. And then I realized I was like, I'm homeless. I don't have an a-list career. I've got, I got, I can speak the truth and feel so much better in my soul and, and like, just be honest, just me.

That's, I've, a way I've always been is I'm just. And that's what you, what you see is what you get. So, you know, whatever, everyone's entitled to their own jam. Right. Yeah. Well that, but, but unfortunately with today's society, you're not allowed to have your own jam anymore. I guess that's why I'm an outsider.

You and me both brother. Sir. And we really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to do this. Yeah. Well, thank you. You got, I loved your Your non standard questions. It was very, it was very nice. It was a good departure from the norm. Yeah. We tried to you know, I'm sure you've been asked every stars, starship trooper question that you could ever be asked.

So we try to stay away from that stuff on this show. So I appreciate that. It was a great show. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you. All right. We'll talk to you again. Yes, sir. Sounds good. All right. Adios. Have a nice night. Okay. You too.